Moon Cake Debate

Yapster - bah says:
wat were u doin
- Josephlcs - says:
i had a party in my house
Yapster - bah says:
ohh
Yapster - bah says:
wow..this time of the yeaR?
Yapster - bah says:
what about?
- Josephlcs - says:
erm
- Josephlcs - says:
lantern festival?
Yapster - bah says:
Oh
Yapster - bah says:
okay..LOL
Yapster - bah says:
how come i wasnt invited
Yapster - bah says:
geee...fine..
Yapster - bah says:
- Josephlcs - says:
if you're my girlfriend i would invite you
- Josephlcs - says:
thinking of changing over to the other end of the stick anytime soon?
Yapster - bah says:
nope, the sticks fine..
Yapster - bah says:
ahhaha
Yapster - bah says:
so its a family thing
- Josephlcs - says:
yea, it is =0
Yapster - bah says:
oh my mistake,
Yapster - bah says:
i thought we were in the same family of God
Yapster - bah says:
apparently not..
- Josephlcs - says:
did Jesus treat his apostles the same way he treated his mother?
- Josephlcs - says:
technically she was his "sister", right?
- Josephlcs - says:
so why the diff?
- Josephlcs - says:
or more practically, do you call your mother, "sis"?
- Josephlcs - says:
and refer to her by her first name?
- Josephlcs - says:
lol
- Josephlcs - says:
i should be less high sturng
- Josephlcs - says:
strung
Yapster - bah says:
frankly, it doesnt matter, mother and sister, theyre all in the same category, FAMILY..but we're not..so i think you should reconsider your proposal..
- Josephlcs - says:
oh, but it does matter doesn't it?
- Josephlcs - says:
the bible asked husbands to love their wives, and wives to submit to their husbadns
- Josephlcs - says:
why the specific order if everyoen is supposed to be treated equally?
Yapster - bah says:
currently, we are not arguing about the hieraki of a family but simply the meaning of family
- Josephlcs - says:
the point is, in terms of priority you are to care for your immediate family before others, because that's your God given responsibility
Yapster - bah says:
in which we are called by God to be in One single family, which one of us isnt in
- Josephlcs - says:
so you argue that there can only one family, and there's no such thing as multiple families, am i right?
- Josephlcs - says:
but the bible never refered to the church (universal church, that is) as a replacement of current blood ties
- Josephlcs - says:
rather, it's a suppplementary family, or concurrent family
Yapster - bah says:
the thing is, i am not arguing about blood ties, but simply the unity of His people thru christ
Yapster - bah says:
which i can obviously see that youre going off topic,
- Josephlcs - says:
this situation is somewhat similar to the exposition on the earthly citizenship and the heavenly citizenship
- Josephlcs - says:
you argue that you should be included in my family events, because you're in the same family of God as i am
- Josephlcs - says:
i'm showing you that there's more than just one family, and this is doctrinally supported
- Josephlcs - says:
show me how am i going off topic
Yapster - bah says:
well, im not saying that you should invite me on a family basis, but as a brother in christ
Yapster - bah says:
youre aguing that youre not inviting me because im not your immediate family member
- Josephlcs - says:
well, i'm showing you that nuclear family and church-family are treated differently
- Josephlcs - says:
yea
- Josephlcs - says:
that's it
Yapster - bah says:
from how you handle this matter, i can generaly say that you dont do much charity work,do you
- Josephlcs - says:
that's a very speculative statement
Yapster - bah says:
but The Lord said that we should love our neighbours as ourselves.
Yapster - bah says:
are you saying that you love yourself in various ways?
- Josephlcs - says:
are you going to be literal in every sense of the word?
- Josephlcs - says:
fine
Yapster - bah says:
every word in scripture is God breathed
- Josephlcs - says:
justify how Jesus treated his mother differently from teh other women
Yapster - bah says:
are you telling me that i can ommit certain words in the bible
Yapster - bah says:
what more the meaning of the words?
- Josephlcs - says:
don't drift there yet
- Josephlcs - says:
tell me how would you explain Jesus treating his mother differently from the other women
- Josephlcs - says:
tell me why are there specific instructions for specific relationships, ie husband-wife and slave-master
Yapster - bah says:
yes indeed i do agree that Jesus treated his mother differently from other women, but he showed an equal amount of attention to the others be it men or women
Yapster - bah says:
and ultimately He saw His family in eternal view, remember Jesus in the temple?
- Josephlcs - says:
yes i do
- Josephlcs - says:
but still, Jesus treated his mother differently.
- Josephlcs - says:
why?
Yapster - bah says:
he did, but he didnt neglect the others
- Josephlcs - says:
true
Yapster - bah says:
thats the point ive been trying to prove to you
Yapster - bah says:
throughout this whole conversation
- Josephlcs - says:
but he still treated he differently
- Josephlcs - says:
no
Yapster - bah says:
now shes a he?
- Josephlcs - says:
typo
- Josephlcs - says:
don't split hairs
Yapster - bah says:
forgiven
- Josephlcs - says:
your point throughout this conversation was that i should invite you for a family function
- Josephlcs - says:
not that i neglected you
- Josephlcs - says:
you expect the same treatment as my brothers, and my cousins
- Josephlcs - says:
not rejected neglect, as you have just announced
- Josephlcs - says:
read up on what you typed
- Josephlcs - says:
but wait,
- Josephlcs - says:
you said that the bible was God breathed
- Josephlcs - says:
and you argued that we should love our neighbours equally, because we love ourselves with consistency
- Josephlcs - says:
i quote, "are you saying that you love yourself in various ways?"
- Josephlcs - says:
so, justify why Jesus treated his mother differently
Yapster - bah says:
yes i did say that i should be invited, not as a "family" member but a family member in the body of christ
- Josephlcs - says:
or are you accusing Jesus of not obeying his own commands
- Josephlcs - says:
good
Yapster - bah says:
and you must know that ultimately we are in one family of God where no one is given into marriage in the after life
- Josephlcs - says:
then we establish that the initial point wasn't neglect at all
Yapster - bah says:
just as how Jesus refutated the saducees
Yapster - bah says:
in their argument about the widow and her husbands brothers
- Josephlcs - says:
you missed the point
- Josephlcs - says:
jesus' refutation was meant to point out that even the torah had references to the resurrection
- Josephlcs - says:
that's the point, not an exposition on marriage
- Josephlcs - says:
besides, marriage isn't exclusively what we're discussing here
Yapster - bah says:
marriage brings about family, earthly family that is
- Josephlcs - says:
you haven't answered how Jesus treated his mother differently, whereas he told us to "love our neighbour as ourselves"
- Josephlcs - says:
answer this first, then we'll tackle the other issues
Yapster - bah says:
He did treat his mother differently because he loved his mother, but with the same love, he loved the general public too
- Josephlcs - says:
then why the different treatment?
Yapster - bah says:
thats not the point
- Josephlcs - says:
wait
Yapster - bah says:
the point is that he loved everyone
- Josephlcs - says:
it is the point
- Josephlcs - says:
but you dont' explain how he treated his mother differently
Yapster - bah says:
since you brought up the matter, why dont you explain that we may better understand
- Josephlcs - says:
hm
- Josephlcs - says:
i was hoping you'd try
- Josephlcs - says:
anyway
- Josephlcs - says:
Jesus loved everyone, we all agree
- Josephlcs - says:
but he treated his mother differently, because she was his mother
- Josephlcs - says:
different relationships dictate different actions
- Josephlcs - says:
a slave does not treat his master as he would another slave
- Josephlcs - says:
a wive does not reprimand the son the way she reprimands the husband
- Josephlcs - says:
all these point out that in different situations the manner of treatment differs accordingly
- Josephlcs - says:
but that does not necessitate favouritism
- Josephlcs - says:
back to the point of multiple families:
- Josephlcs - says:
a person on earth has an earthly family
- Josephlcs - says:
and he also has a heavenly family
- Josephlcs - says:
they both are different relationships, so he treats them accordingly
- Josephlcs - says:
that would be the order that God prescribed in the beginning
- Josephlcs - says:
even the bible underlines that a husband's first priority is the wife, and vice versa
- Josephlcs - says:
this is a very practical thing, because chaos would occur if you're expected to treat another man's wife like your own
Yapster - bah says:
but is it not right and lawful that all men are equal under God?
- Josephlcs - says:
it is
- Josephlcs - says:
differing treatment does not necessitate different status in the eyes of God
Yapster - bah says:
but it does
Yapster - bah says:
different treatment shows the degree of love you have for a person
Yapster - bah says:
ie youd buy things for your loved ones
- Josephlcs - says:
that's not necessarily the case
Yapster - bah says:
but for strangers youd think twice if you even had the thought
- Josephlcs - says:
so, if you really achieved the state of unconditional love for everyone
- Josephlcs - says:
you're still expected to treat your family with more priority, simply because they're family
- Josephlcs - says:
it's not right for you to shoulder the burden of supporting all the parents of all the people you know
- Josephlcs - says:
because they have their own kids to take care of them too
- Josephlcs - says:
if they have no one to help them then it's a different story
- Josephlcs - says:
but differing situations call for differing treatment
- Josephlcs - says:
i stress that treatment alone is not the exclusive factor for affection
Yapster - bah says:
which brings me to the question where i have to ask you
Yapster - bah says:
am i that much of a burden to you
Yapster - bah says:
is a few slices of moon cakes such a dire thing that it would be costly
- Josephlcs - says:
no, you're not
- Josephlcs - says:
but the point is that this gathering was for my blood family, not my church family
- Josephlcs - says:
so it wasn't my place to invite you
- Josephlcs - says:
but if youreally want some mooncakes, you're more than welcome to come over can have some with us
Yapster - bah says:
THEN WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SO..GEEZ..WASTE MY TIME...
Yapster - bah says:
hahahah
- Josephlcs - says:
because you complained about the non-invite to the party, not the mooncakes
- Josephlcs - says:
blame yourself lor
Yapster - bah says:
well, you couldve just clarified with one sentece
im sorry, i wasnt in the right position to do so
Yapster - bah says:
but no, you had to go on and on and on about your stands and beliefs
Yapster - bah says:
thats you, always wanting to prove your point
- Josephlcs - says:
i don't deny it
- Josephlcs - says:
but i wasn't the only one that wanted to get involved, was i?
Yapster - bah says:
no, i merely did my part
Yapster - bah says:
i wouldnt have been involved if you didnt bring up the subject
Yapster - bah says:
because you fooled me into believing that i had a point to prove, which was apparently futile since you werent in the postion to be doing the thing that i so passionately argued about
- Josephlcs - says:
your above statement doesn't quite make sense
- Josephlcs - says:
"since you werent in the postion to be doing the thing that i so passionately argued about"
- Josephlcs - says:
what does that mean?
Yapster - bah says:
meaning, you werent able to invite me anyways
Yapster - bah says:
which was the main "thing" i was arguing about
- Josephlcs - says:
well
- Josephlcs - says:
you brought up the sermon on the mount
- Josephlcs - says:
and a whole lot of misinterpretations
- Josephlcs - says:
so what you expect me to do?
Yapster - bah says:
are you judging me now?
Yapster - bah says:
i expected more from a matured brother like you
Yapster - bah says:
apparently i was wrong
Yapster - bah says:
you seem to not be in good humour. we should end this conversation...
- Josephlcs - says:
erm
- Josephlcs - says:
speculative again
- Josephlcs - says:
i'm not judging you, you're still the same afaic
- Josephlcs - says:
i'm just stating that your argument weren't super solid to begin with
- Josephlcs - says:
nvm
- Josephlcs - says:
i'm not in the mood to discuss this further too
Yapster - bah says:
whats afaic?
- Josephlcs - says:
as far as i'm concerned
Yapster - bah says:
oh right..
Yapster - bah says:
such internet jargon never registers in my mind, hope you dont mind
Yapster - bah says:
hahaha gee..i was just kidding all along...haha..i must have quite an appetite for moon cakes...
- Josephlcs - says:
really?
- Josephlcs - says:
i never liked having too much of them
- Josephlcs - says:
too sweet for me
Yapster - bah says:
ahaha
Yapster - bah says:
in all sincerity i was only pulling your leg
Yapster - bah says:
i have good faith that you wont take it to heart, right?
- Josephlcs - says:
yea, i know
- Josephlcs - says:
no issues
- Josephlcs - says:
don't worry about it
Yapster - bah says:
but youre good..ahahha...i lost
Yapster - bah says:
ahahah
- Josephlcs - says:
was fun debating with you
- Josephlcs - says:
lol
- Josephlcs - says:
=)
Yapster - bah says:
and im proud of it
Yapster - bah says:
ahaha
- Josephlcs - says:
haha
- Josephlcs - says:
not rakioning?
Yapster - bah says:
nope...this is better than rakioning
Yapster - bah says:
AHHA are you?
- Josephlcs - says:
no, i'm watching samurai X
Yapster - bah says:
what? so you were watching samurai x while debating?
- Josephlcs - says:
yea, more or less
Yapster - bah says:
hahha okay...lol...
but it was fun..hahah..some words are quite high level..dont be shy to visit dictionary.com...lol...

well thats all for now...yapster..over and out..shht...
